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Info from John W. Piper: (Descendant)
John has a photo of James on which is written "James Piper 1864 aged 69" giving his DOB 1794/5.A "James Piper", son of James and Alice, was baptised 20 Jul 1794 at Marnhull, a few miles North of Milton Abbey. John wondered if James Snr. may have been employed by Lord Milton, who, at that time was in the process of demolishing the village of Milton and replacing it with Milton Abbas and reconstructing the Abbey and Abbey Church. Perhaps the christening was at Marnhull for practical reasons, or was it the family home of Alice?
James owned a 2.5 acre nursery at Church Crescent in Parkstone, Poole, Dorset.
Click here to see a map of plots owned by James.
He owned plots 261, 262, 263 and 282 (part) which was sold off for housing development in the 1950's. Also plots 231, 231a and 232 on the other side of the road which were included in the sale. It is believed that he also owned Charlton Villa (inherited by his son Edward), which is thought to be the house on the corner of Pipers Drive, plot 267. Also a very small plot in Parr St. plus other property elsewhere.A list showing land owned and occupied by James Piper can be found here.
1841 Census: Potter Street, Parkstone, Poole, Dorset - HO287/06 - Enum. District 11
James PIPER, 40, Nurseryman, b. Dorset (c.1796 - 1801)
Ann PIPER, 40, b. Dorset (c.1796 - 1801)
Eliza PIPER, 15, b. Dorset (c.1826)
Henry PIPER, 10, b. Dorset (c.1831)
Ann GOULDRING, 70, Independent, b. Dorset (c.1766 - 1771)1851 Census: "Near the Church", Parkstone, Poole, Dorset: HO107/1855 f.126
James Piper, Head, Mar, 54, Nursery & Seedsman, b. Milton Abby, Dorset (c.1797)
Ann Piper, Wife, Mar, 50, b. Calne, Wiltshire (c.1801)
Judith Parsons, Servant, 16, General servant, Lytchet, Dorset1861 Census: Church Crescent, Parkstone, Poole, Dorset: RG9/1340
James Piper, Head, Mar, 64, Nursery Man employing 3 labourers, b. Milton Abby, Dorset (c.1797)
Ann Piper, Wife, Mar, 50, b. Havant, Hampshire (c.1801)
Jane Gallop, Serv, Un, 18, Domestic Servant, b. Canford, Dorset.1867: Kelly’s Dorset
James Piper: Nursery & seeds man1871 Census: Church Crescent, Parkstone, Poole, Dorset: RG10/1989
James Piper, Head, Wid, 76, Retired Nurseryman, b. Milton Abbas, Dorset (c.1795)
William F. Piper, Son, Mar, 47, Nurseryman, b. Kinson, Dorset (c.1824)
Ann Piper, Wife, Mar, 47, Wife of Nurseryman, b. Dorchester, Dorset (c.1824)
Flora A. Piper, Daur, Un, 23, Daughter of Nurseryman, b. Parkstone, Dorset (c.1848)
Louisa Brewer, Serv, Un, 19, General Servant, b. Verwood, Dorset1874: Probable death: Free BMD
Deaths, Jun 1874 - Piper James, aged 79, Poole 5a 185
Other possible relatives:
Ann Piper was unmarried head of household in High Street, Poole in 1851. A greengrocer aged 20, born at Wimborne.1841 Census: Bulk Head Yard, Poole, Dorset
George Piper, 40, Sailorman, b. Dorset
Eliza Piper, 35, b. Dorset
Eliza Piper, 10, b. Dorset
Ann Piper, 8, b. Dorset
Henry Piper, 4, b. Dorset1881 Census: 6 Copnor Road, Portsea, Hampshire
Edward PIPER Head M Male 62 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Dairyman
A. PIPER Wife M Female 62 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
E. PIPER Son W Male 30 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
W. PIPER Son U Male 26 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Susan NYE Daur W Female 34 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Sarah PIPER Daur U Female 24 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
F. CLEALL Grandson Male 13 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
W. NYE Grandson Male 8 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar
Flora A. PIPER G Daur Female 5 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar
Ann PARKES Visitor W Female 78 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Jane FARFAR Servant U Female 18 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England (Dom Servant)
Probably Ann Bryant (Briant) previously married to Richard Prior. (See further down this page)
It would appear that James married at least two Anne's. The census data below shows his wife's birthplaces as Dorset (1841), Wiltshire (1851) & Hampshire (1861). It seems safe to assume that Anne Taylor is James' first wife, and is assumed to be the mother of all his children. They married a year before Eliza was born, and is probably the same Ann shown on the 1841 Census. However, the Ann shown in 1841 could be a daughter of Ann Gouldring, who is also in the household in 1841.
The Ann who died in 1852 would have been born about 1801. If she is the mother, and the same person shown on the 1841 & 51 Census, she would have been only about 15 or 16 at the birth of Eliza Ann.
It is possible that Ann Taylor was born in Dorset, about the same time as James, and died before 1851. James then married another Ann (of Calne, Wiltshire), who died in 1852, at Parkstone, aged 52. He then married a third Ann (of Havant, Hampshire), who died before 1871.
As all his children were born before 1837, the only way to prove the theory above is to find further burial and marriage records.
HOWEVER ... new information from John W. Piper suggests that Anne Taylor was born 26 Jun 1800 and baptised 1 May 1803 at Calne, Wiltshire, daughter of Thomas Taylor born c.1770 and Jane Wilcox born c.1774, who married 12 Oct 1795 at Calne. Thomas Taylor was probably not born in Calne.
This suggests that Ann Taylor was married at the age of 15. The two witnesses to the marriage at Wimborne Minster were local 17 year old girls. It therefore appears that Anne Taylor is also the same person shown on the 1841 & 51 census. If so, the 1841 birthplace is incorrect, or perhaps her parents died young and she was raised by relatives in Dorset. She may have then discovered that she was born in Calne after 1841.
Probable death of Ann on the 1851 Census (1st or 2nd wife)
Deaths Jun 1852 - Piper Ann, Poole 5a 211
Ann PIPER, Buried 2 May 1852, aged 52, St Peter & St Osmond, Parkstone, DorsetProbable death of Ann on the 1861 Census (2nd or 3rd wife)
Deaths Dec 1867 - Piper Ann, aged 67, Poole 5a 172
1841 Census: Potter Street, Parkstone, Poole, Dorset - HO287/06 - Enum. District 11
James PIPER, 40, Nurseryman, b. Dorset (c.1796 - 1801)
Ann PIPER, 40, b. Dorset (c.1796 - 1801)
Eliza PIPER, 15, b. Dorset (c.1826)
Henry PIPER, 10, b. Dorset (c.1831)
Ann GOULDRING, 70, Independent, b. Dorset (c.1766 - 1771)1851 Census: "Near the Church", Parkstone, Poole, Dorset: HO107/1855 f.126
James Piper, Head, Mar, 54, Nursery & Seedsman, b. Milton Abby, Dorset (c.1797)
Ann Piper, Wife, Mar, 50, b. Calne, Wiltshire (c.1801)
Judith Parsons, Servant, 16, General servant, Lytchet, Dorset1861 Census: Church Crescent, Parkstone, Poole, Dorset: RG9/1340
James Piper, Head, Mar, 64, Nursery Man employing 3 labourers, b. Milton Abby, Dorset (c.1797)
Ann Piper, Wife, Mar, 50, b. Havant, Hampshire (c.1801)
Jane Gallop, Serv, Un, 18, Domestic Servant, b. Canford, Dorset.
DETAILS FOR ANN BRY/IANTProbable 2nd Marriage: Mar 1853
PIPER James Poole 5a 438
PRIOR Ann Poole 5a 438
RICHARDS Maria Poole 5a 438
HUTCHINGS Joseph Poole 5a 4381841 Census: Longfleet Newtown, Canford Magna, Poole, Dorset
Richard Prior, 50, Customs Officer, b. NOT in Dorset
Ann Prior, 40, b. NOT in Dorset
Ann Briant, 9, b. NOT in Dorset
NOTE: Richard died Jun qtr 1848 at Poole
NOTE: Angelina Banger is on the same page. She was a stepdaughter of John Hibidage, whose sister, Ann, married Edward Piper (son of James)1851 Census: Longfleet, Dorset
Ann Prior, Head, Wid, 52, Proprieter of Houses, b. Havant, Hampshire
Ann P. Bryant, 19, Niece, Un, House Servant, b. Portsea, Hampshire
NOTE: Ann (Niece) appears to be a daughter of Ann's sister Mary. (See below)
ANN PRIOR BRIANT
Birth: 02 APR 1832
Christening: 09 SEP 1832 Orange Street (Now King Street) Independent, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: JAMES BRIANT
Mother: MARY
ABODES:
1872 ..... Moor Critchell, Dorset - (Birth)
1881 ..... Manswood, Moor Critchell, Dorset - (Census)
Aft. 1900 ..... 1 Gomer Gardens, Field Lane, Teddington, Middlesex - (After marriage)
Later ..... 13 Church Lane, Teddington, Middlesex
Gwyn had a query for Emily marrying Laurie (Sussex) or Reginald (Fordingbridge), but they were probably her Grandchildren by her illegitimate daughter Dorothy.
ABODES:
1872 ..... Moor Critchell, Dorset - (Birth)
1881 ..... Manswood, Moor Critchell, Dorset - (Census)
Aft. 1900 ..... 1 Gomer Gardens, Field Lane, Teddington, Middlesex - (After marriage)
Later ..... 13 Church Lane, Teddington, Middlesex
Gwyn had a query for Emily marrying Laurie (Sussex) or Reginald (Fordingbridge), but they were probably her Grandchildren by her illegitimate daughter Dorothy.
Mick's note:
In 1923 Alfred Ernest died of Tuberculosis while serving as a private in the Royal Auxiliary Service Corps. Dorothy Edna Fripp is on the Death certificate as informant. Living at 13 Church Lane by (written down as) D. E. Tickner. Now as far as I know she never changed her name. I think it was just to cut the red tape so to speak.
Possible 2nd marriage: BVR
JAMES, Samuel Marriage
Wife: Jane MILLER
Marriage Date: 30 Nov 1811 Recorded in: Witchampton, Dorset, England
Source: FHL Film 1239261 Dates: 1809 - 1812
When Henry was 3 months old the family had to leave and go back to Hinton Martell due to a settlement order
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Stephen Joy
Christening: 18 Feb 1827, Hinton Martell, Dorset1881 Census: Summerset Place, Freemantle Road, Christchurch, Hampshire
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Stephen JOY Head M Male 54 Hinton Martel, Dorset, England Carpenter
Eliza JOY Wife M Female 50 Tompson, Dorset, England Bricklayer
William Alfred JOY Son M Male 24 Shirley, Hampshire, England Bricklayer Labourer
Walter JOY Son Male 16 Kingston, Dorset, England Butchers Labourer
Fredrick James JOY Son Male 14 Poole, Dorset, England Carter
Mary Eliza JOY Daug Female 11 Kingston, Dorset, England Scholar
Lavinia Emily JOY Daug Female 9 Springbourne, Hampshire, England Scholar
Edwin Geo JOY Son Male 5 Springbourne, Hampshire, England Scholar
Mary Ann INGRAM Wifes Mother W Female 71 Scholbourne, Wiltshire, England
NOTE: William Cole was a witness at son, Henry's, wedding
Thought to have been a witness at her brother, Henry's, marriage.
No parents were listed for James at his Christening (BVR). He is probably connected to my Hibdage/ Hebdage line although no links have yet been found. However James' son, John, married Susan Smart in Gussage All Saints, and a Mary Smart was a witness at William Hibdidge's marriage to Elizabeth Perry, also in Gussage All Saints.
Possible other family marriages at West Stower (Stour):
HUGH HEDDIGE - Marriage: 06 NOV 1758 West Stower, Dorset, England
MARY HIDDITCH - Marriage: 22 MAY 1768 West Stower, Dorset, England
MARY HEDDITCH - Marriage: 04 APR 1816 West Stower, Dorset, England
JAMES HEDDITCH - Marriage: 23 FEB 1824 West Stower, Dorset, England
JAMES HEDDITCH - Marriage: 04 SEP 1828 West Stower, Dorset, England
GEORGE HEDDITCH - Marriage: 13 AUG 1833 West Stower, Dorset, EnglandWest Stower Christenings: (BVR)
HERRIDGE, Anna Chr 1747, West Stower, DorsetHERRIDGE, Mary Chr 1749, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: William HERRIDGEHERRIDGE, William Chr 1751, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: William HERRIDGEHERRIDGE, Modesty Chr 1757, West Stower, Dorset
HEDDITCH, George Chr 1764, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: William HEDDITCH
Mo: RebechaHEDDITCH, Richard Chr 1772, West Stower, Dorset
Mo: Anna HEDDITCHHEDDITCH, James Chr 1786, West Stower, Dorset
HEDDITCH, Ann Chr 1788, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: William HEDDITCHHEDDITCH, Mary Chr 1791, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: William HEDDITCH
Mo: ElizabethHIDDITCH, John Chr 1796, West Stower, Dorset
Mo: Modesty HIDDITCHHIDDITCH, Mary Chr 1796, West Stower, Dorset
Mo: Modesty HIDDITCHHEDDITCH, William Chr 1799, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: George HEDDITCH
Mo: MaryHEDDITCH, Charles Chr 1802, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: George HEDDITCH
Mo: MaryHEDDITCH, John Chr 1810, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: James HEDDITCH
Mo: JaneHEDDITCH, Edward Chr 1811, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: James HEDDITCH
Mo: JaneHEDDITCH, Henry Chr 1819, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: James HEDDITCH
Mo: HannahHERRIDGE, John Chr 1822, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: James HERRIDGE
Mo: HannahHEDDITCH, John Chr 1823, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: James HEDDITCH
Mo: HannahHEDDITCH, Thomas Toogood Chr 1824, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: William HEDDITCH
Mo: SarahHEDDITCH, Charles Chr 1831, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: George HEDDITCH
Mo: MargaretHERRIDGE, William Chr 1833, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: Charles HERRIDGE
Mo: EmmaHERRIDGE, Elizabeth Chr 1835, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: John HERRIDGE
Mo: SarahHERRIDGE, Edwin Chr 1837, West Stower, Dorset
Fa: Charles HERRIDGE
Mo: Emma
ABODES:
1812 ..... West Stower, Dorset
1851 ..... Witchampton, DorsetMary Smart was a witness at William Hibdidge's marriage to Elizabeth Perry, also in Gussage All Saints.
1841 Census: Gussage All Saints, Dorset
John Hedditch, 30, b. Dorset
Susan Hedditch, 20, b. Dorset
ABODES:
1819 ..... Gussage All Saints, Dorset
1851 ..... Witchampton, Dorset1841 Census: Gussage All Saints, Dorset
John Hedditch, 30, b. Dorset
Susan Hedditch, 20, b. Dorset
ABODES ......... 1843 (birth)
Witchampton.
1851 (census) HEDDITCH
Witchampton.
ABODES ......... 1845 (bap.)
Witchampton.1851 (census) HEDDITCH
Witchampton.1881 (census) HEDDEGE
New Town, Witchampton.
ABODES:
1847 ..... Gussage All Saints, Dorset (bap.)
1851 ..... Witchampton, Dorset. (census) HEDDITCH
1881 ..... 30 Crondall Street, Shoreditch, London, Middlesex. (census)
1881 Census: 30 Crondall Street, Shoreditch, London, Middlesex.
Eli HEBDITCH Head U Male 34 Witch Hampton, Dorset, England Bricklayer
ABODES ......... 1849 (birth)
Witchampton.1851 (census) HEDDITCH
Witchampton.
ABODES ......... 1845 (bap.)
Witchampton.1851 (census) HEDDITCH
Witchampton.
ABODES ......... 1856 (bap.)
Witchampton.1851 (census) HEDDITCH
Witchampton.1881 (census) HEDDITCH
Lutton, Northampton., (Boarder) - School Mistress.(With William & Sarah STANGER & PEARSON children)